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		<title>By: MediaMentions</title>
		<link>http://incisive.nu/2010/paying-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-241</link>
		<dc:creator>MediaMentions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 20:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you ever need to prove a point about advertising, just take a look at Australia: http://www.pressdisplay.com/pressdisplay/showlink.aspx?bookmarkid=BJ5FKGR3ETR4&amp;preview=article&amp;linkid=0e3aaaf1-171b-433a-8579-bf75ece2e7a4&amp;pdaffid=ZVFwBG5jk4Kvl9OaBJc5%2bg%3d%3d

That, really is all I can say without sounding redundant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you ever need to prove a point about advertising, just take a look at Australia: <a href="http://www.pressdisplay.com/pressdisplay/showlink.aspx?bookmarkid=BJ5FKGR3ETR4&amp;preview=article&amp;linkid=0e3aaaf1-171b-433a-8579-bf75ece2e7a4&amp;pdaffid=ZVFwBG5jk4Kvl9OaBJc5%2bg%3d%3d" rel="nofollow">http://www.pressdisplay.com/pressdisplay/showlink.aspx?bookmarkid=BJ5FKGR3ETR4&amp;preview=article&amp;linkid=0e3aaaf1-171b-433a-8579-bf75ece2e7a4&amp;pdaffid=ZVFwBG5jk4Kvl9OaBJc5%2bg%3d%3d</a></p>
<p>That, really is all I can say without sounding redundant.</p>
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		<title>By: Journalism, Now. &#124; Fitful Murmurs</title>
		<link>http://incisive.nu/2010/paying-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-129</link>
		<dc:creator>Journalism, Now. &#124; Fitful Murmurs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 14:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There are a lot of reasons why people will pay for online news. Publications like the Wall Street Journal have proven that when a publication is renowned for its reporting on a particular subject, interested consumers will pay for that content. People are often willing to pay for the feeling of legitimacy &#8211; it&#8217;s the reason why people buy mp3s from Amazon or iTunes instead of downloading them from PirateBay. People are willing to pay for ease of use and access. And people are willing to pay for features above and beyond the baseline. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There are a lot of reasons why people will pay for online news. Publications like the Wall Street Journal have proven that when a publication is renowned for its reporting on a particular subject, interested consumers will pay for that content. People are often willing to pay for the feeling of legitimacy &#8211; it&#8217;s the reason why people buy mp3s from Amazon or iTunes instead of downloading them from PirateBay. People are willing to pay for ease of use and access. And people are willing to pay for features above and beyond the baseline. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://incisive.nu/2010/paying-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-109</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 04:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bud is right about the specialty audience point, because it&#039;s a very important link. But more so than whether the fee is paid by an employer or not, I think the key factor goes back to what Jacob Weisberg was talking about users expecting to pay. 

In the financial industry whether it&#039;s WSJ, FT or industry research the end user is used to having to pay for content. The same may be true for the legal profession as they&#039;re used to paying for LexisNexis and court documents from PACER.

So getting users to pay for content when they&#039;re not used to having to do that is where the uphill battle is and why these sudden paywalls have been so unsuccessful. Imagine what would happen if Facebook started requiring a $10 subscription or Gmail charged $0.01 per email. We&#039;re used to free. So now we have to find a way to reintroduce fees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bud is right about the specialty audience point, because it&#8217;s a very important link. But more so than whether the fee is paid by an employer or not, I think the key factor goes back to what Jacob Weisberg was talking about users expecting to pay. </p>
<p>In the financial industry whether it&#8217;s WSJ, FT or industry research the end user is used to having to pay for content. The same may be true for the legal profession as they&#8217;re used to paying for LexisNexis and court documents from PACER.</p>
<p>So getting users to pay for content when they&#8217;re not used to having to do that is where the uphill battle is and why these sudden paywalls have been so unsuccessful. Imagine what would happen if Facebook started requiring a $10 subscription or Gmail charged $0.01 per email. We&#8217;re used to free. So now we have to find a way to reintroduce fees.</p>
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		<title>By: Bud Parr</title>
		<link>http://incisive.nu/2010/paying-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-108</link>
		<dc:creator>Bud Parr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 02:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to add that the paywall model works well in the examples you cited not only because they have good and/or unique content, but also because those companies have a specialty audience. 

In finance, in particular, depending on where you work, the WSJ (US) or FT (int&#039;l) is required reading. So yes, good content, but very often paid for by your employer. The &#039;paid for&#039; part is key. 

Consumer reports sells their content like many software as a service companies do today, that is, they give away lots of free content, but subscribers get the premium data (which they do a good job of promoting with &quot;cr&quot; buttons). 

It&#039;s also not expensive, and they do a surprisingly good job of creating community.

I completely agree with your assessment, but thought worth adding that packaging and knowing your audience is a key to success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to add that the paywall model works well in the examples you cited not only because they have good and/or unique content, but also because those companies have a specialty audience. </p>
<p>In finance, in particular, depending on where you work, the WSJ (US) or FT (int&#8217;l) is required reading. So yes, good content, but very often paid for by your employer. The &#8216;paid for&#8217; part is key. </p>
<p>Consumer reports sells their content like many software as a service companies do today, that is, they give away lots of free content, but subscribers get the premium data (which they do a good job of promoting with &#8220;cr&#8221; buttons). </p>
<p>It&#8217;s also not expensive, and they do a surprisingly good job of creating community.</p>
<p>I completely agree with your assessment, but thought worth adding that packaging and knowing your audience is a key to success.</p>
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		<title>By: Content: Paid vs. Free — Climb to the Stars</title>
		<link>http://incisive.nu/2010/paying-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-105</link>
		<dc:creator>Content: Paid vs. Free — Climb to the Stars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wants to be paid for, sending us to read Erin Kissane&#8217;s Content is Expensive (followed by Paying for it, which examines the four ways in which content can generate [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] wants to be paid for, sending us to read Erin Kissane&#8217;s Content is Expensive (followed by Paying for it, which examines the four ways in which content can generate [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stooryduster</title>
		<link>http://incisive.nu/2010/paying-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator>Stooryduster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 16:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I value good content and I am aware of the cost to provide it. I am also conscious that rewards should go to those that have built up their personal expertise, knowledge and skills and have something to say or show. As opposed to the second hand army that regurgitate without analysis or critical thought stuff that is already out there. 

The modern digital world should be an opportunity for more of the reward to go directly to those that create stuff than has happened in the past. The music industry as an example. My worry is that there is a determined effort to bring the old business models into the digital world. The models where the creator is as much a source of profit as the user and it is the shareholders and owners who get the majority of any profit. Is it going to be &#039;land grab&#039; time where areas get fenced off so the cattle barons can get rich off the meat?

Is there any data on how much reward creators get from the buy me a beer or coffee contribution options? Or even the shareware authors who publish software? Will we as consumers throw a big enough coin in the hat? I do in the real world if there&#039;s a good busker. Why not in the digital?

The potential audience per article could be a thousand. Up to hundreds of thousands if it&#039;s exceptional. Fifty cents a view?

Come on developers, we need a one click penny in a hat mechanism to revolutionise digital trade. 

The down side is we&#039;ll be tracked even more than we already are. Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I value good content and I am aware of the cost to provide it. I am also conscious that rewards should go to those that have built up their personal expertise, knowledge and skills and have something to say or show. As opposed to the second hand army that regurgitate without analysis or critical thought stuff that is already out there. </p>
<p>The modern digital world should be an opportunity for more of the reward to go directly to those that create stuff than has happened in the past. The music industry as an example. My worry is that there is a determined effort to bring the old business models into the digital world. The models where the creator is as much a source of profit as the user and it is the shareholders and owners who get the majority of any profit. Is it going to be &#8216;land grab&#8217; time where areas get fenced off so the cattle barons can get rich off the meat?</p>
<p>Is there any data on how much reward creators get from the buy me a beer or coffee contribution options? Or even the shareware authors who publish software? Will we as consumers throw a big enough coin in the hat? I do in the real world if there&#8217;s a good busker. Why not in the digital?</p>
<p>The potential audience per article could be a thousand. Up to hundreds of thousands if it&#8217;s exceptional. Fifty cents a view?</p>
<p>Come on developers, we need a one click penny in a hat mechanism to revolutionise digital trade. </p>
<p>The down side is we&#8217;ll be tracked even more than we already are. Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Content wants to be paid for &#8211; Jeffrey Zeldman Presents The Daily Report</title>
		<link>http://incisive.nu/2010/paying-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-97</link>
		<dc:creator>Content wants to be paid for &#8211; Jeffrey Zeldman Presents The Daily Report</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 16:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] read Part Two: Paying For It, where Kissane considers each of these methods of subsidizing content &#8220;and how they relate to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] read Part Two: Paying For It, where Kissane considers each of these methods of subsidizing content &#8220;and how they relate to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
		<link>http://incisive.nu/2010/paying-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-91</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 19:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jeff: Fixed!

Syndication&#039;s a fascinating world, for sure. I&#039;ll be very interested to see how it plays out for organizations that aren&#039;t media companies -- and for media companies who must compete against high-quality free content.

Education and events can be good sources of revenue, but seem more like spinoffs than part of a content model, which is why I didn&#039;t get into examples like An Event Apart (which was built on ALA and book deals). So much of that is about establishing credibility through content, and I think that&#039;s all part of the &quot;marketing&quot; category.

In any case, there are indeed a lot of experiments flying around. I&#039;m mostly just surprised by how many of them are, at the core, only slight variations on the models we&#039;ve already seen in print and broadcast. I&#039;m not seeing much real innovation — but that&#039;s not necessarily a bad thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jeff: Fixed!</p>
<p>Syndication&#8217;s a fascinating world, for sure. I&#8217;ll be very interested to see how it plays out for organizations that aren&#8217;t media companies &#8212; and for media companies who must compete against high-quality free content.</p>
<p>Education and events can be good sources of revenue, but seem more like spinoffs than part of a content model, which is why I didn&#8217;t get into examples like An Event Apart (which was built on ALA and book deals). So much of that is about establishing credibility through content, and I think that&#8217;s all part of the &#8220;marketing&#8221; category.</p>
<p>In any case, there are indeed a lot of experiments flying around. I&#8217;m mostly just surprised by how many of them are, at the core, only slight variations on the models we&#8217;ve already seen in print and broadcast. I&#8217;m not seeing much real innovation — but that&#8217;s not necessarily a bad thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://incisive.nu/2010/paying-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-90</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 17:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please fix, I bungled the first link: http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/newspapers-find-a-new-way-to-monetize-their-journalists/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please fix, I bungled the first link: <a href="http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/newspapers-find-a-new-way-to-monetize-their-journalists/" rel="nofollow">http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/newspapers-find-a-new-way-to-monetize-their-journalists/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://incisive.nu/2010/paying-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great summation, but I think your excellent gloss in these past two posts skates by a few key revenue options, including events, education and licensing writ large. 

We are living through a flurry of such experiments right now (leaping to mind are the Guardian Club and a more narrow, fussy Times equivalent: http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/newspapers-find-a-new-way-to-monetize-their-journalists/ ). Once you start looking, you realize they are everywhere. I&#039;m indexing them here: http://predicate-llc.com/category/blog-content-topic/business-strategy/ 

But licensing is the biggest of all, and the ways in which content gets packaged and syndicated (branded editorial, sure, but data as well) is expanding rapidly. There are those who argue that packaging trumps content (as if they were truly separable). In the near future, I see CSes routinely auditing for the inbound and outbound portability of content for other customers and platforms. It&#039;s a natural extension of the way we plan for multiple delivery mechanisms like mobile today. All of which will shine a bright light on those, like our colleague Paul Ford, expert at content modeling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great summation, but I think your excellent gloss in these past two posts skates by a few key revenue options, including events, education and licensing writ large. </p>
<p>We are living through a flurry of such experiments right now (leaping to mind are the Guardian Club and a more narrow, fussy Times equivalent: <a href="http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/newspapers-find-a-new-way-to-monetize-their-journalists/" rel="nofollow">http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/08/newspapers-find-a-new-way-to-monetize-their-journalists/</a> ). Once you start looking, you realize they are everywhere. I&#8217;m indexing them here: <a href="http://predicate-llc.com/category/blog-content-topic/business-strategy/" rel="nofollow">http://predicate-llc.com/category/blog-content-topic/business-strategy/</a> </p>
<p>But licensing is the biggest of all, and the ways in which content gets packaged and syndicated (branded editorial, sure, but data as well) is expanding rapidly. There are those who argue that packaging trumps content (as if they were truly separable). In the near future, I see CSes routinely auditing for the inbound and outbound portability of content for other customers and platforms. It&#8217;s a natural extension of the way we plan for multiple delivery mechanisms like mobile today. All of which will shine a bright light on those, like our colleague Paul Ford, expert at content modeling.</p>
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