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		<title>By: Four ways to fix sub-par publishing &#124; Beggs Creative</title>
		<link>http://incisive.nu/2010/in-defense-of-the-cms/comment-page-1/#comment-544</link>
		<dc:creator>Four ways to fix sub-par publishing &#124; Beggs Creative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2010 18:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Being part of a web provider, I could ramble on about this, but it&#8217;s summarized well at the end of this piece in defense of the CMS: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: In Defense of the CMS &#171; UCLA Portal Blog</title>
		<link>http://incisive.nu/2010/in-defense-of-the-cms/comment-page-1/#comment-54</link>
		<dc:creator>In Defense of the CMS &#171; UCLA Portal Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Phil Stewart-Jones</title>
		<link>http://incisive.nu/2010/in-defense-of-the-cms/comment-page-1/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Stewart-Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 02:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve actually been on a tech team of a CMS implementation which involved doing exactly that.  Users were not allowed in, or at least only on rare occasions.  The end result was that the tech team members were the only ones who knew how to use the CMS, and they (we) ended up being  copy-paste monkeys.

I&#039;ve also been on a team which opened the doors wide and gave access to (by which I mean &quot;forced access upon&quot;) any user whose job title could be interpreted as something to do with content.  The end result - a majority of users who used the CMS so infrequently that they couldn&#039;t remember their password, let alone how to use the system.  And a tech team who spent many hours solving the casual users&#039; problems.

Both were in a corporate environment - marketing content, not a true publishing model - but neither way had any real editorial process built in.  The former was a way to get out of having to do it, the latter just ignored it completely (or more accurately, assumed it would be done &quot;offline&quot;, i.e. outside of the CMS).

I&#039;ve come to the conclusion that there must be a middle ground.  Perhaps only let in users who are truly regular content creators and who have a vested interest in contributing (i.e. it&#039;s their job).  A method for casual contributors to get their content out there would be nice, but it might be quicker and less painless to have a small dedicated team to just do it for them.  A hybrid approach so to speak.

One other problem I&#039;ve seen time and again is that that as soon as anything - including but not limited to a CMS - starts to bloat the accepted editorial process, people will circumvent it any way they can.  It&#039;s a neat trick to incorporate a new method into an accepted process in a way that gets widespread adoption.

I agree that a CMS can be a useful tool, but it needs expert - business, as well as tech - guidance from the start and a relentless focus on supporting and simplifying the existing processes.  Too many implementations just make everything more difficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve actually been on a tech team of a CMS implementation which involved doing exactly that.  Users were not allowed in, or at least only on rare occasions.  The end result was that the tech team members were the only ones who knew how to use the CMS, and they (we) ended up being  copy-paste monkeys.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also been on a team which opened the doors wide and gave access to (by which I mean &#8220;forced access upon&#8221;) any user whose job title could be interpreted as something to do with content.  The end result &#8211; a majority of users who used the CMS so infrequently that they couldn&#8217;t remember their password, let alone how to use the system.  And a tech team who spent many hours solving the casual users&#8217; problems.</p>
<p>Both were in a corporate environment &#8211; marketing content, not a true publishing model &#8211; but neither way had any real editorial process built in.  The former was a way to get out of having to do it, the latter just ignored it completely (or more accurately, assumed it would be done &#8220;offline&#8221;, i.e. outside of the CMS).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve come to the conclusion that there must be a middle ground.  Perhaps only let in users who are truly regular content creators and who have a vested interest in contributing (i.e. it&#8217;s their job).  A method for casual contributors to get their content out there would be nice, but it might be quicker and less painless to have a small dedicated team to just do it for them.  A hybrid approach so to speak.</p>
<p>One other problem I&#8217;ve seen time and again is that that as soon as anything &#8211; including but not limited to a CMS &#8211; starts to bloat the accepted editorial process, people will circumvent it any way they can.  It&#8217;s a neat trick to incorporate a new method into an accepted process in a way that gets widespread adoption.</p>
<p>I agree that a CMS can be a useful tool, but it needs expert &#8211; business, as well as tech &#8211; guidance from the start and a relentless focus on supporting and simplifying the existing processes.  Too many implementations just make everything more difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: How to Fix Your Broken CMS: Part 1 &#124; farfromfearless</title>
		<link>http://incisive.nu/2010/in-defense-of-the-cms/comment-page-1/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>How to Fix Your Broken CMS: Part 1 &#124; farfromfearless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 04:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Erin Kissane, and Jeff Cram blogged about their particular frustrations and perspectives on CMSs and CMS [...]</description>
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		<title>By: TwittLink - Your headlines on Twitter</title>
		<link>http://incisive.nu/2010/in-defense-of-the-cms/comment-page-1/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>TwittLink - Your headlines on Twitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 23:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tweets about this great post on TwittLink.com [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kristina Halvorson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristina Halvorson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 21:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One to send the clients. Well-presented, useful stuff. Why are you so dang smart? Cut that out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One to send the clients. Well-presented, useful stuff. Why are you so dang smart? Cut that out.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeff, 

Oh, great -- I love it when that happens! 

I know you guys are very interested in process, and I think we share the underlying assumption that what makes content management systems succeed or fail is mostly people stuff, rather than tech stuff.

Thanks so much for writing your post and getting this conversation rolling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff, </p>
<p>Oh, great &#8212; I love it when that happens! </p>
<p>I know you guys are very interested in process, and I think we share the underlying assumption that what makes content management systems succeed or fail is mostly people stuff, rather than tech stuff.</p>
<p>Thanks so much for writing your post and getting this conversation rolling.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Cram</title>
		<link>http://incisive.nu/2010/in-defense-of-the-cms/comment-page-1/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Cram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Erin - Thanks for referencing my post on the CMS Myth. This is one of the best articles I&#039;ve seen on the intersection between editorial process and CMS. While we may argue some subtleties, I find myself in fierce agreement with nearly everything you say here. Nicely done.

Jeff Cram</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Erin &#8211; Thanks for referencing my post on the CMS Myth. This is one of the best articles I&#8217;ve seen on the intersection between editorial process and CMS. While we may argue some subtleties, I find myself in fierce agreement with nearly everything you say here. Nicely done.</p>
<p>Jeff Cram</p>
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